tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post465602628094890326..comments2024-03-28T05:29:25.961+00:00Comments on SINN FÉIN - KEEP LEFT: Sinn Féin are simply Catholic politicans - what do you think?mellowshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12844166986997608405noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-38621955255151443892009-07-26T03:21:48.922+01:002009-07-26T03:21:48.922+01:00'asilimateing' protestants into a politi...'asilimateing' protestants into a political culture after a UI presumes that its possible to get a UI with out there support.<br /><br />i don't see how, genuinely.<br /><br />iam not talking about veto's. wheter a stratagy is constitutional or military, what ever your poision there needs to be a recognition of what a huge strategic asset the unionist loyalsit ideology is to britian in ireland. for every man thats turned away from that concept, britian gets weaker if they can be convinced by what ever group to embrace a republican analyisis then ireland gets stronger. its not rocket science. wolfone said my aim was to free ireland - my MEANS was to unite catholic protestant and disenter -<br /><br />the means is the important part there it means no pun intended that in wolfones time he knew that if he got the catholics to rise that the protestants would be used against them, if presbytarians rised then catholics would be used against them..... sort of like today and every other day for the last few hundred years. if you want a UI then you need to asimilate catholics and protestants on some level today now yesterday before there is a UI to get a UI.<br /><br /><br />it would be good practice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-37262475604577989492009-07-26T01:41:37.032+01:002009-07-26T01:41:37.032+01:00What if they are catholic politicians? They are a...What if they are catholic politicians? They are a party elected by catholics and nationalists and republicans. Are the DUP worried about being protestant politicians? The DUP aren't trying to reach out to catholics, they're far too busy trying to keep their own electorate happy, and fending off the TUV.<br /><br />I think its a good idea to try to reach accross the divide, BUT the protestant people are well represented by politicians of their choice, and I don't see any demand from them that republican/nationalist parties should be representing them. There is at the minute a good mixture of people crossing the divide and going to the offices of any politician of any hue who will give advice etc anyway. I know some protestant people from the lower shankill and upper springfield road who have gone to SF politicians/offices for advice. It's being done by both sides.<br /><br />I don't think its a good idea for one party to try to be all things to all men. If unity ever does come, the protestant/unionist people in the north will find their own way, with their own representatives imv rather than be assimiliated into an exsisting electorate. <br /><br /> 'A catholic party for catholic people', I can't help feeling its a moot point.Kate.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-36456238496541249972009-07-25T16:54:53.584+01:002009-07-25T16:54:53.584+01:00"the blog has survived the howls of those who..."the blog has survived the howls of those who protest the washing of dirty linen in public."<br /><br />If he had not included that line he would have retained my attention. But thats bit dramatic. One fellow posted about washing dirty linen and pretty everybody else said they were against that but for open debate only. <br /><br />They way he makes it sounds there was a titanic struggle. <br /><br />Its overblow in order to make it sound like the big bullies were squelching debate. A cheap smear tactic in my opinion. Same as the catholic debate.<br /><br />Alls fair in love and war they say though.<br /><br />JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-88135014174986757502009-07-25T03:41:17.806+01:002009-07-25T03:41:17.806+01:00I had a look at the ‘pretentious twat’ blog, no so...I had a look at the ‘pretentious twat’ blog, no sorry, I meant to say ‘pensive quill’ blog and guess what the first image is you see? Mackers sternly guarding a Catholic totem! Hitchens and Dawkins would excommunicate him. <br /><br />Mackers akbar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-86071319593760552009-07-25T03:04:50.827+01:002009-07-25T03:04:50.827+01:00sorry forgot to sign it. post just a second a go ...sorry forgot to sign it. post just a second a go was me.<br /><br />SMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-90147579776407774622009-07-25T03:03:44.281+01:002009-07-25T03:03:44.281+01:00how we do it, don't think theres one arument ...how we do it, don't think theres one arument or one capaign thats going to change an entrenched mindset. so we need three and four and five and six etc. and this process is already quitly happening. being realistic our party is still the boogman to alot of people, the sticks changed there name and became apologetic for the consequences of the sectarian trappings of orangism. we need to be blatently avoiding falling into the same lazy senario they fell in to. first thing to recognise is a true blue loyalist is a true blue loyalist, they are offended by our existence we don't need to apeal to them we need to appeal to the wider protestant community. <br /><br />the riots in ardoyne in fairness the area was efectivly put under a curfew, maybe there was a better way to articulate anger but anyway it's done, and loyalists will be angry about that and the wider protestant community may be angry about that but short of going into negotiations with the local ardoyne comunity then how do they expect to appease that anger in a way satisaftory to all. obviously it's not in some loyalists interests to seek such a solution they want to maintain the status que, but in the wider potestant community who is there to articulate that opinion or to encourage that opinion? thats where republican groups should be looking. and on different arguments etc.<br /><br />the quill from my reading is an opinion piece. i don't think its function is to advocate stratagies, thats up to groups. and it that scence would agree. why aren't other groups with the exception of the IRSP and SF thinking bigger than working class catholics in the six counties? if SF disapeared tomorrow and any one group hypotecticly got all that support, realistly how can they be go further with it than the provo's did. i don't get what there trying, but any way it's up to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-88832119941797723472009-07-25T00:15:06.700+01:002009-07-25T00:15:06.700+01:00Anon - how many protestants are in Sinn Féin? The ...Anon - how many protestants are in Sinn Féin? The fact is Sinn Féin are supported by catholics in the north. How Sinn Féin breaks out of this position is the big question. <br />The problem I have with the Quill is that he seems to think other republican groups are any better. The fact is they are even more catholic orientated than Sinn Féin. How do you think the rioting in Ardoyne came across to the loyalist community? How did the riot in Dublin come across. I'll tell you how they came across - very badly. <br /><br />At least Sinn Féinare making an attempt to reach out across the divide. What is the Quill doing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-69353752685662720482009-07-23T22:02:11.958+01:002009-07-23T22:02:11.958+01:00Look this is just anti sf shit. It is just trying ...Look this is just anti sf shit. It is just trying to do what brit propagans has always tried to do. They want to make out it is a senseless struggle between religious nutters and now pricks like this want to do the same. I don't know what he wants to achieve maybe he could tell us!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-78859619506817060722009-07-23T17:46:07.935+01:002009-07-23T17:46:07.935+01:00yeah AM is a very good writer credit where it&#...yeah AM is a very good writer credit where it's due but another shinner here. this used to be a major critism of the left to Sf in Dublin over 20 years ago. i rejected it because i felt the nature of six county state, the place of anyone who called themselves progressive should have been with the minority who where getting attack by the state. it was the right place for republicanism to be at that time and prior to it before i joined. now thats not to say that that position should be static, the objective is obviously unity. SF recognise that imo by trying to create a senario where we can get into protestant communities and argue politics. i accept stormont is far from perfect. it's far from our first choice but it had many parents and calming the situation down has potential for want of a better phraze to build bridges. <br /><br />one area where iam disapointed with other republican groups in all this with the exception of the IRSP who do, do out reach work, is the newer groups not taking advantage of the potenial of what SF is doing. there is no need for them to support any of the institutions SF support but they can use the relitive calm to take advantage of it. <br /><br />rambling but think SF are more than simplely a northern catholic party because they understand that for there objectives to be achieved they need the support of more than just northern catholics. demographics across the island. and i accept that in that SF made a big tactical error putting the cart before the horse trying to appeal to everyone at once and some serious thinking is needed in that regard but the realisation is there.<br /><br /><br />smAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-86077533294741131162009-07-23T12:46:58.815+01:002009-07-23T12:46:58.815+01:00The first thing I wish to say in response to the a...The first thing I wish to say in response to the above piece is that I enjoy reading the Pensive Quill (AM) and feel that he raising points and asks some very relevant questions in a very stimulating way. <br /><br />I’ll try to keep my own response brief, so I’ll do it in note form. <br /><br />1) I would point out that I am a member of Sinn Fein based in the south and AM is correct in saying the above explanation of the use of the term catholic politician fails to describes what I see within the party. <br /><br />2) AM states Sinn Féin is “the political project of Sinn Fein politicians, regardless of the discourse, is strategically driven by the impulse to advance the position of the Northern Catholic populace “ The project I, and the people I know in the party fight for is the advancement of position of Irish people throughout the island. In the piece AM has written he simply writes off Sinn Féin in the 26. This is convenient for his argument as it downplays the fact that we have an all-Ireland agenda and are the largest all-Ireland party. Yes, we have challenges in the 26, as we do in the 6, but that does not mean our presence in the South can be written off and an analysis given that views Sinn Féin purely within a six county context. <br /><br />3) AM himself says he has rejected the terms republican, socialist, revolutionary because he doesn’t like it and it does not fit in with his analysis of the Sinn Féin. Fair enough. He does not wish to use the term nationalist because that has been used to describe the SDLP. Okay. So he chooses the term Catholic politician to do exactly what he wanted to do. Essentially piss off Sinn Féin supporters. I personally reject its use because I have never accepted that the struggle for a united Ireland is a sectarian one. For me Sinn Féin wishes to see a democratic, united and secular Ireland. The party is trying to do what no other major party is trying to do. Namely to push for a new united republic.starry ploughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481013510515056679noreply@blogger.com