tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post8063970364991486173..comments2024-03-28T05:29:25.961+00:00Comments on SINN FÉIN - KEEP LEFT: Michael Collins versus Brian Lenihanmellowshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12844166986997608405noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-56286706696410278872010-09-04T23:45:16.304+01:002010-09-04T23:45:16.304+01:00Sign the treaty with one hand and score it out wit...Sign the treaty with one hand and score it out with the other. This was Michael Collins and can clearly be seen in all his words and actions. <br />Shamefully Fine Gael disavow him. And <br />Fianna Fail see no need for him, already having DeValera. Though that is not a bad thing for us in itself. Sinn Fein bring to the people a symbol: the Lost Leader, and stand for the Republic as Collins truly saw it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-59573707135324401272010-08-28T13:28:05.010+01:002010-08-28T13:28:05.010+01:00My God the comments are typical of us Irish ungrat...My God the comments are typical of us Irish ungratefull shites we have become , its not enought that a man gives his life for us oh no when he is not here too defend himself the aul nature of us is apparant whinging and doing nothing . We are great people too sit on bar stools and dream ideas and complain , look what we have done as a nation under a regime today almost as ruthless in its own sinister way as the British were NOTHING . And when the elderly are freezing and the sick are allowed too die becuase perhaps they could not afford VHI like the next door neighbour there will be a deal of it and then forgotten . We deserve what we got ye voted for the bastards and your stuck with them so either shut up like sheep or do something about it instead of psuedo intellectual crap about a dead man who had no choice and theres the macheivellian Dev the prerunner of the Charlies Berties imbecilic Cowens Harneys all the gang , i guarantee you when they do go who ever is in power will uncover a lot more inconvenient truths for ye all too bewail your lot over , how dare you i am steadily becoming more and more ashamed of being Irish , God bless you Mr Collins the birth of our nation died with you .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-79504842857898657802010-08-26T15:35:35.746+01:002010-08-26T15:35:35.746+01:00No doubt it is complex and while I regret that he ...No doubt it is complex and while I regret that he died in the Civil war, I am aware that he was wrong to attack the Four Courts, it was a mistake that cost him his life and also the lives of many on the Republican side. The Civil War was a disaster for all sides, but especially Republicans. There were mistakes made on all sides but it was Republicanism that was left on the mantle piece. It is easy to look back now and say who was right and who was wrong, but in all honesty both halves screwed up. When Sinn Féin split in 1926, in the 26. It was the minority that left, should the movement have stayed together and gone as one, and at least had the chance to control the free state. Would it be different to what is being done now post GFA. Interesting question - how different would things now be. Would the revolution in 1969 have been kicked off with a differing Party Political badge. Supposition is easy, often interesting but always futile<br /><br />It is very sad, that the Civil War can still bring such anger to the surface in Irish politics, across all sides. It reflects poorly on us as a nation.Michael Collinshttp://sinnfeinkeepleft.blogspot.com/2010/08/michael-collins-versus-brian-lenihan.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-27459111061659990572010-08-25T14:04:33.684+01:002010-08-25T14:04:33.684+01:00The biggest tragedy was the execution of James Con...The biggest tragedy was the execution of James Connolly in 1916 as the socialist content of the freedom movement was largely removed with his passing. Griffith and De Valera were left in control of Sinn Féin and neither of them was interested in anything more than a change of Government from a foreign to a native one. As Republican Socialist Peadar O Donnell said later that the seeds of the Free State were set long before the term was heard for the first time. Collins was no politician being essentially a conspirator (IRB background) and a brilliant and ruthless Director of Intelligence. However when it came to the crunch he signed the treaty under threat of 'immediate and terrible war'..he then fell between 2 stools playing a double game .. arming the northern divisions of the IRA and at the same time implementing British rule finally using British guns and troops to attack Republicans in the four courts and start the civil war, when Collins is commemorated by FG and now by FF he is remembered almost exclusively as the founder of the 26 county state by signing the treaty and pushing it through the Dáil..his role in 1916 and the Tan War is almost ignored.. I couldn't celebrate the founding of the Free State as it introduced the 'carnival of reaction' both north and south as predicted by Connolly. As to modern Republicans I think he is admired for his efforts up to 1921 but with mixed views for his IRB counter revolutionary role later on. My own view is that he sold out when he attacked the IRA using British guns and an army made up mostly of ex-British troops, officered by ex IRA men.Red Rebelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-29008896070217186412010-08-24T02:53:28.965+01:002010-08-24T02:53:28.965+01:00was his vision that much different than dev's....was his vision that much different than dev's. i don't see it. part of dev's problem was that the wealthy weren't investing in ireland in his time. not that he didn't want it. the treaty did nothing to alter the conwellian settlement, the same leaches where still in place, are in place, in the news today that in sligo some absentee landlord has turned up looking for ground rent.<br /> that quote about natural resorce's should be used by the td's in the whole shell2sea debate though.<br /><br />republicans view on dev. a dublin comrade put it to me like this before. 'some people believe he did what had to be done at the time while others view him as a traitor bastard who got exactly what he deserved' truths probably in the middle. <br /><br />excellent vol. bad negotiator, maybe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-24506867807763490102010-08-23T22:15:25.972+01:002010-08-23T22:15:25.972+01:00Isn't it sad to see the way the media have bee...Isn't it sad to see the way the media have been fawning over linehan. Sam Smyth wrote a real over the top piece setting him up as the new messiah. Many other elements of the media hopped on board.<br /><br />Seems similar to how the media praised Cowen to high heaven in the first few weeks.<br />Cowen was a dud and sure as night follows day Lenihan is a dud.<br /><br />Aengus o'snodaigh wrote today how FG and FF should really just join up because there aint nothing separating them now. And there isnt. What now separates them?An Giorrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15238329477605666831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-13691788354732924732010-08-23T20:29:06.239+01:002010-08-23T20:29:06.239+01:00i agree anon the real divide is between rich and p...i agree anon the real divide is between rich and poor and not between collins and devaleraRed Rebelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7727561618191456901.post-28340403059587443912010-08-23T15:51:02.154+01:002010-08-23T15:51:02.154+01:00Collins was responsible for partition, and was pro...Collins was responsible for partition, and was prone to some authoritarian tendencies. I have no idea why we would want to lay claim to his legacy, Fine Gael/ff are welcome to him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com